Sure Seals

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Sure Seals

Postby Stephen LM50 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:27 pm

Hello folks,
My name is Stephen, I’m new to the Fergy Forum but have previously used the Land Rover (LRO) forum for many years.
I have a 1954 TEF20 (Standard Diesel) that I’m hoping to gradually restore in spare time. The brakes don’t currently work and one reason for this is oil leakage from the axle at both sides.

Does anyone have experience of using Sure Seals on the axle shafts - particularly how effective they are? Also, I read somewhere that they can’t be used on TE20s with a Serial number greater than 350000 - can anyone verify this as mine has a Serial number starting 404... ?

Thanks in anticipation :wink:
Stephen
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Re: Sure Seals

Postby pcp20us » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Hi

Welcome to the forum.

I have used sure seals on one of my tractors, it fixed the leaking

There where changes but not sure of the serial no change. However once it is apart you will see if there are seals inside the axle housing.

One member here called bundy bear does great vids on how to fix your fergie. Look at his youtube channel, think he did a vid on sure seals. There are other vids around that i used when i did mine.

Also there is a manual in the download section called te20 service manual
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Re: Sure Seals

Postby Hiawatha » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:29 pm

I suspect that they will not fit your diesel if the back end is original .
They are designed to fit tractors made up to mid 1953 , at serial number 325001 .
This is not a bad thing really it means that the seal can be changed properly without resorting to the ' Sureseal ' quick fix' , not that that is terrible either .
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Re: Sure Seals

Postby Stephen LM50 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:47 pm

Thank you very much for the replies.

Yes I’ve watched loads of Lance’s (Bundy Bear) excellent videos on YouTube! As you say, he does one using Sure Seals and one which is ‘the full monty’ - changing all bearings, collars, seals etc.

You are right Hiawatha but I don’t have a press so will probably need to take the shafts somewhere to have at least some of the work done I guess.....
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1954 Ferguson TEF 20 with Standard 4cyl diesel engine
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Re: Sure Seals

Postby Grunt » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:36 pm

You won’t need a press to do the inboard seals, just remove the hub and half shaft, prize the old seal out, fit the new seal and replace the hub and drive shaft. If you use modern seals passing the half shaft through it without causing any damage can be challenging. The older style leather and felt seals are a lot more forgiving.

If you do the outer seals then you will need some means of replacing the bearings which is where a press might come in handy. If you do a search on here there are a few posts where others have had the same problems as you, and how they overcame them.

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Re: Sure Seals

Postby Stephen LM50 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:29 pm

Thanks for that information Grunt - I’ll have a search on the forum for similar issues!
I’m in the Rochdale area by the way...
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Re: Sure Seals

Postby whitehillbillies » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:58 pm

I replaced inner seal few months ago, on my 54 TED20
Not that hard.
TC12153, local bearing shop
Not sure if TEF is the same.

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Re: Sure Seals

Postby Bundy Bear » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:28 pm

If you pull the axle out and you have the inner seal you will not need the sure seal as the inner bearing seal on the 19 spline axles is easy to change and it is the one that keeps the oil away from the bearing area.
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Re: Sure Seals

Postby Bundy Bear » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:29 pm

If you pull the axle out and you have the inner seal you will not need the sure seal as the inner bearing seal on the 19 spline axles is easy to change and it is the one that keeps the oil away from the bearing area.
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Re: Sure Seals

Postby Stephen LM50 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Thanks Lance and Whitehillbillies that’s very useful. I guess I’ll find out as soon as I have time to get the shafts out.
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