Loose battery contact problem TED20

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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Hiawatha » Thu May 17, 2018 3:47 am

Before removing the manifold un-necessarily place some clay around the suspect stud and the joint adjacent to it . This will act as a temporary seal if there is a leak and you will be able to confirm or eliminate this as a cause .
Loose studs are a pest , if you are fortunate this may be the fault of the stud threads themselves , otherwise the alternative is that the threads in the head are stripped :shock:
Allow some extra time for a job that may be longer than you expect . In any case a loose stud will only lead to either a warped manifold , or as had happened in mine before restoration a burnt manifold face that required machining flat .
When replacing it consider using brass nuts , these will need tightening periodically but will never seize or rust on and will strip long before the engine end of the stud.
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Michael QLD OZ » Sat May 19, 2018 7:17 am

If you do have stripped threads in the head, I fixed that once with a Landcruiser BJ40. i used a stud remover to extract the stud which would not pull up, then stripped some decent quality 240v house wiring to get the fine copper strands. I cut a section as long as the threads on the stud and twisted only the tip of one end together leaving a fan of fine copper threads at the other end. Bent the twisted end at 90deg and fed it into the head infront of the stud, leaving the threads against the fanned out copper strands. Torqued up the stud and all was golden. I know this was not a perfect fix but with everything else that was going on in that engine and the fact it was running on straight veg oil I figured it was worth a try. I hope you dont need this level of fix.
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Olsen » Sat May 19, 2018 9:33 am

Well I did it more the hard way... :oops: A 10mm metric stud is a little larger than the original stud so I can cut a new thread and the M10 stud fits perfectly.Not original but invisible anyway and fast solution.

In the meanwhile I almost came to the decicion that I am only one small step away from removing the head and give him an overhaul including new valves and springs and so on.A friend of mine is working for the german army where they service and repair all vehicles including tanks and I can give him the head and parts and 3 days later will have it all back and overhauled from engine specialists.All I have to give for the job is enough fresh beer :mrgreen: and after I should have fixed all the trouble for a long time.
Otherwise I put the parts together to find out I still have a problem what makes it necessary to start the whole procedure from new.It will not cost me a fortune and since having it all dismantled I guess it is the best to do this now.
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Michael QLD OZ » Sat May 19, 2018 10:07 pm

I would love to have a real mechanic rebuild a head on one of my tractors, I would say go for it. When doing jobs ourselves it can sometime be hard to have confidence that we are going in the right direction. Saying that, the manifold leak check described by Hiawatha is fast and easy to do, if it gives you an answer, you can still have the head rebuilt.
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Moose » Sun May 20, 2018 1:36 pm

I am a believer in sending the head to a shop. It requires a whole new knowledge set that I did not have to acquire. Unlike my first tractor, I did not anticipate any head issues with my 2nd overhaul. But, to my surprise they found 2 cracked rockers. Take a look, about 2/3 the way down. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=3040
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Olsen » Thu May 24, 2018 9:26 am

No idea if I have a standard manifold on my TED as I can not find one picture in the web that shows the same.Mine has a square opening on top closed with a plate but after 60 years the plate is a little out of shape and does not close the hole at all.My friend has it now for facing both parts to make sure there's no leakage anymore.
Another funny thing happend yesterday when I checked the ignition leads and found out one was without contact on the distributor side what means first spark plug was absolutely without spark and tractor running on three cylinders.We were working on the tractor with three guys and I swear no one was aware the engine is running on 3 cylinders.Next thing was the middle contact between ignitor and coil.The copper braid was stripped so horrible that there have been only 2 single thin wires left soldered to the pin.Well what do you think if you find something like this ? Fix it and the engine will run like a dream.In reality I fixed it and the engine is still running like shit.I go crazy :twisted: Waiting for new leads and distributor and my repaired manifold...
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Hiawatha » Thu May 24, 2018 10:05 am

The manifold you describe sounds very much like a ' Lodden' , an aftermarket product made to enhance the fuel vapourisation of TVO . I have a photo of one somewhere and will post it for you . Good work on finding the ignition lead defects , these are now things that can be eliminated . Try changing the rotor arm , it may be cracked .
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Olsen » Thu May 24, 2018 10:58 am

This one goes into the same direction

https://picclick.co.uk/Ferguson-T20-Lod ... id=1&pid=1

Difference is mine has the plate on top.I will change the distributor for the one in the link below.Not original at all but I had so much trouble that I want this thing running without all the problems the old stuff can bring.
The tractor is for bringing firewood home and must run and I do not care for 100% originality.Will keep the original parts in stock though.

https://www.oldtractorshop.nl/en/fergus ... n-1-detail
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Moose » Thu May 24, 2018 12:03 pm

If you are looking for an electronic distributor(your 2nd web link) take a look here, at the bottom. https://www.ignitioncarparts.co.uk/Part ... m=FERGUSON

I bought one and quite pleased.
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Re: Loose battery contact problem TED20

Postby Olsen » Thu May 24, 2018 12:43 pm

Moose wrote:If you are looking for an electronic distributor(your 2nd web link) take a look here, at the bottom. https://www.ignitioncarparts.co.uk/Part ... m=FERGUSON

I bought one and quite pleased.


I have been too fast as usual and already ordered the one from my post.Reason is that ordering from the Netherlands is very fast if you live in Germany.Looks like I have to pay a little more but if it works it doesn't matter in the end.Too late now for a change.Prices in UK are always funny :lol: When I go to a german website I see the price I have to pay on one sight while in UK you start at 75 and with surcharge,tax and shipping have to pay twice that much in the end.
Used the time in the meanwhile for cleaning the fuel filters and tubes just to be sure not enough fuel is not the reason for my trouble.Replaced some manifold studs as well to get it tight.Hope to get it back already today.
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